NIGERIAN VILLAGE SQUARE DISCUSSION ON THE UKRAINE PALAVA! (2)

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NIGERIAN VILLAGE SQUARE DISCUSSION ON THE UKRAINE PALAVA! (1)

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1.Vic no talk again…leave them..anyone that won die quick..u can go to ukraine..cos some pple don’t just hear at all..some still asking how can I apply to ukraine embassy..dey hate u..if dey can hate halfcaste who isn’t dat black..how about u wey black gan…if u must go ukraine..carry ur pistol in ur pocket..it may safe u.2. i recently gained admission 2 v.n.karazin kharkiv national uni in ukraine bt;the problem nw is my visa… at poster,pls i nid help… i applied 4 a visa interview onlyn since last wik thursday nd i applied in form of a letter…i avnt gotten a reply yt 4rm dm.. wasnt i supposed 2 apply in form of a letter? can i apply again?3. Yes, you can reapply since your understanding tells you this thread is to encourage desperate people like you.4. Please Africans/Nigerians stop running. We need to start fixing our countries. Non can do it, except from you and me.

5. vic why u dey bother urself have u forgotten the saying of the wise that says experience is the best teacher,no matter what u say some nigerians will still feel they are immune against this things and that they are smart,i dey laugh ooooooooo

6. you no hear say make you run, inshort make under your leg touch back of your head when you dey run from ukraine. You fit go there sha if your odeshi na almighty ultimate.

7. I thought i should raise this awareness again since some people continue to desire that deadly country that is called Ukraine

8. Bros…if someone decides to commit suicide,I beg no put hand join o, so that his blood will not be on ur neck for ‘assisting suicide’

Grin

9. vic ,i understand ur pains about this issue ,but like i told u in july NIGERIANS WILL NEVER LISTEN UNTIL THEY ARE BEATEN TORTURED AND BRUTALISED THAT IS WHEN THEY LEARN.if you like bring a youtube clip of ukrainains beheading nigerians at the end someone will still stand up to ask u what are the visa requirements,i just dey laugh oooooooo

10. pls what are the visa requirements for ukrainian student visa gringringringringrin

11. One of the visa requirements is (perhaps) a farewell letter to the loved ones who will probably mourn your untimely departure from this world

12. You also wrote as follows in the original article…”The only appealing thing i reckon about them is, they have some of the most beautiful women in the world: tall, slim, blonde, blue-eyed sexy girls who crave for black guys that’s if you like white girls”

Please, my good friend, are you implying that their women do not believe in racism? Much obliged in anticipation of your usual prompt response. One humanity!

13.I was about to post that some people will still want to go there only to find someone asking for details on how to get a visa. Let us not rest on our oars about this issue. We should keep enlightening people about the dangers. Guardian newspapers should be made to carry a warning on all adverts by agents looking to help people gain admission in Ukraine. If someone then decides to go, we can freely say “good riddance to bad rubbish” because we know that person doesn’t deserve to live with us and has chosen not to even though we begged them to stay with us..

14. East european countries are very deadly and they are now swindling Nigerians. My cousin got admission into a university in Georgia and after paying a non refundable school fees, he was not allowed to enter the country twice without any reason. The university representative that was in the airport to pick him up was present the both times he was deported at the point of entry. They did not give any reason and his family can;t get back his school fees.

Re: Avoid Ukraine If Your Life Is Worth The Living by stephenponti(m): 4:04pm

Am just reading a book by SUNDAY ADELAJA, who claims to have a church membership upto 3000 Mostly Ukranians. I wonder how he suvived in such dengerous Nazi zone. I have read some terrible news about that dam country before. I can’t live in such country even if am offered free scholarship.

Re: Avoid Ukraine If Your Life Is Worth The Living by Devonian(m): 4:09pm

I HONESTLY DON’T KNOW AND CAN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT NIGERIANS ARE LOOKING FOR IN EASTERN EUROPEAN UNIVERSITIES. IF YOU CAN’T STUDY IN NORTH AMERICA, WESTERN AND THE NORDIC REGIONS OF EUROPE, GO TO SOUTH AFRICA OR STAY AT HOME IN NIGERIA

15. Why on earth would anyone want to travel to Ukraine, Bulgaria, Poland, etc? huh.. DO not I repeat DO not go to Ukraine and from all advice you have gotten on this site, I am sure a word is already more than enough even for those that are not wise

16. Dat cash 4 travel to ukraine don do me to open shop for maiduguri, i prefer to die for boko haram hand than Ukrainians

17. after all you have written , why dont you write articles to various newspaper prints so that they know that there are so much negativity about Ukraine instead of the usual we see;’ live, work and study in Ukraine’ . This would be very good if someone can keep writing about the negativity of what life is in Ukraine. afterall, we are helping the Ukraine economy only for we to receive a stick of BANANA- This is terrible. Imagine this, I pay 3000usd to a Ukrainian school only for me to receive bunch of bananas and been called funny names? This is a disgrace to we Nigerians, africans. I cant imagine if my mom or dad should notice another Nigerian call me names in Nigeria. I mean, based on the kind of status i have in Nigeria, i know my parent will not allow such person go freely.. why do we allow a foreigner to bullsh*t us when we know we have what it takes to stop such futez(nonsense)!

18. visa applicant,so babe u no hear? All dis wey de poster write no de enter ur ear atall BTW I wish u gudluck but no open a thread on nl when u finally enter there lamenting how u are being maltreated in dat country . A word is enough 4 de wise, be wise.

19. Can you imagine? Why do these people always think we are inferior to them? If only,if only,if only Nigeria/africa will wake-up and show this people that we are better than them..if only.When i get to heaven,my first question will be “GOD,why did you made man in different colours”?

20. I will not discourage anyone from traveling abroad, in fact I will encourage them. By going abroad, money spent on importation of rice will reduce. By the time they come back after wasted years with rented accent, those who survived on $1 per day (according to them) and sweated it all out will hire them at old age. Why would any sane person go to Ukraine, such a cold place, even the gods didnt destine that place for humans, yet Africans leave a perfect climate to ‘hussle’ in a place not fit for humans.

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  Svoboda: The rise of Ukraine's ultra-nationalists

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Ukraine's ultra-nationalist party, Svoboda, was a shock winner in October's parliamentary election, capturing more than 10% of the vote and entering the legislature for the first time. How radical is it?

Svoboda's presence has been felt immediately in Ukraine's parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, where its 37 deputies belong to a broad coalition opposing President Viktor Yanukovych's Party of Regions.

Meeting for its first two sessions in mid-December, the Rada - as it has a number of times in the past - degenerated into scenes that resembled not so much a legislative process as an ice hockey brawl, involving dozens of shoving, punching and kicking parliamentarians.

Svoboda's newly installed deputies, clad in traditional Ukrainian embroidered shirts, were in the thick of the melee, when not actually leading the charge.

They helped attack and drive from the opposition's ranks two deputies - a father and son - who were accused of preparing to defect to the ruling party. Then they joined a massive free-for-all around the speaker's rostrum, in protest at alleged illegal absentee-voting by deputies from the governing party.

One of Svoboda's leading members, sports journalist Ihor Miroshnychenko, his ponytailflying behind him, then charged the podium (above) to prevent a deputy speaking in Russian. (Svoboda believes that only Ukrainian should be used in all official bodies.)

Outside, Svoboda deputies used a chainsaw to cut down an iron fence erected last year to prevent crowds from storming the parliament building. This they justified in the name of popular democracy.

"No other democratic country has fenced-off the national parliament," said Svoboda's Ruslan

Koshulinskiy, the deputy speaker of parliament. "People have chosen these lawmakers and should

have a right to have access to them."

Chaotic and confrontational as this may seem to Western eyes, Svoboda's over-the-top behaviour

is partly what drove many Ukrainians to vote for them.

 

The party has tapped a vast reservoir of protest votes. In a political landscape where all other parties are seen as corrupt, weak or anti-democratic - or all three - Svoboda seems to have attracted voters who would otherwise have stayed away from the polls altogether. Its strong anti-corruption stance - promising to "clean up" Ukraine - has resonated deeply.

"I'm for Svoboda," said Vadim Makarevych, a supporter, said at a recent rally in Kiev. "We have to stop what is happening in our country. It's banditry and mafia."

At the same time, they have staked out a position as fervent - some say rabid - defenders of traditional Ukrainian culture and language.

Months before Miroshnychenko charged the parliament podium, Svoboda activists were photographed appearing to spray police with pepper gas, at a demonstration against a law making Russian an official language in some regions of the country.

Among those who see Russia as a threat to Ukraine's independence - chiefly in the west rather than the east of the country - many applaud this tough anti-Moscow stance.

But in the run-up to October's election, the party also wooed centrist voters by softening its image.

Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok repeatedly reassured voters that Svoboda is not racist, xenophobic or anti-Semitic - just pro-Ukrainian. "We are not against anyone, we are for ourselves," he said.

By presenting itself as a party of very devoted patriots, Svoboda seems to have won over voters who would be repelled by some of its more radical views - or voters who sympathise with these views, but prefer them to remain unspoken.

In the last parliamentary elections five years ago, Svoboda managed only 0.7% of the vote. This time, in addition to expanding its traditional base in the country's Ukrainian-speaking west - it won close to 40% in the Lviv region - Svoboda made inroads into central regions, capturing second place in the capital Kiev.

But while the party's radical past can be papered over, it cannot be erased. Its name until 2004 was the "Social-Nationalist Party" and it maintains informal links to another group, the Patriots of Ukraine, regarded by some as pro-fascist.

In 2004, Tyahnybok was kicked out of former President Viktor Yushchenko's parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" - using two highly insulting words to describe Russians and Jews - and emphasising that Ukrainians had in the past fought this threat with arms.

In 2005, he signed an open letter to Ukrainian leaders, including President Yushchenko, calling for the government to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry", which, the letter said, was spreading its influence in the country through conspiratorial organisations as the Anti-Defamation League - and which ultimately wanted to commit "genocide" against the Ukrainian people.

Tyahnybok stresses that he has never been convicted for anti-Semitism or racial hatred, though prosecutors opened a case against him after his 2004 speech. "All I said then, I can also repeat now," he says. "Moreover, this speech is relevant even today."

Other Svoboda members have also courted controversy. Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, a parliamentary deputy considered one of the party's ideologues, liberally quotes from former Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, along with other National-Socialist leaders.

This undoubtedly appeals to a number of Svoboda's voters, though to what extent is difficult to determine.

Even now, Svoboda's platform calls for passports to specify the holder's ethnicity, and for government positions to be distributed proportionally to ethnic groups, based on their representation in the population at large.

"We want Ukrainians to run the country," says Bohdan, a participant in a recent Svoboda rally, as he waves a Ukrainian flag and organizes cheering and chanting.

Some see signs that Svoboda's radical elements are reasserting themselves. Activists recently attacked and sprayed tear gas at a gay rights rally in central Kiev. Ihor Miroshnychenko, meanwhile, used abusive language to describe the Ukrainian-born American actress Mila Kunis, who is Jewish, in an online discussion.

However, a number of Svoboda's critics, while underscoring the potential dangers of the party's rise, also say that its popularity may be fleeting. Svoboda's surge mirrors the far-right's growing strength in many countries across Europe, they point out, and may not signal any fundamental, long-term rightward shift among the Ukrainian population.

With the increased scrutiny that the party will come under in parliament, more Ukrainians may also take objection to Svoboda's wilder statements, or decide it creates unnecessary divisions in an already polarised country.

The party itself could also become more mainstream as it conforms to pressure from its political partners. This has happened with other far-right groups in the past, like the Italian Fascist party, which mellowed as it integrated into Italy's conservative camp, experts say.

"There's a belief that Svoboda will change, once in the Verkhovna Rada, and that they may become proper national democrats," says Andreas Umland, a political science professor at Kiev's Mohyla Academy University.

But he hesitates to predict how the party's internal tensions will be resolved.

"We don't know which way Svoboda will go," he says. "It may actually become more radical."

By David Stern.bbc.co.uk